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By G8MNY (Updated Dec 04)
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PSEUDO RMS VOLTMETER
True Root Mean Squared (RMS) meters either use an insensitive moving iron
movement (with a non linear scale) or have active Squarer circuits (digital or
analogue) to compute the value. So most meters are only "Average" (Mean)
indicating & calibrated up to indicate the RMS value, by applying sine waveform
correction factor of 111%.
Real mains is normally 240V RMS in the UK but based on the EU standard of 230V.
Substations are normal set the +10% max on no load.
Eu Heating PSUs Meters
NOMINAL RMS PEAK MEAN
+10 % Max 253V 358V 228V
+4.3% UK 240V 340V 216V
0% EU 230V 325V 218V
-4.3% USA 220V 311V 198V
-10 % Min 207V 292V 186V
N.B. ñ10% of voltage means a change of 49% of the power rating!
e.g. a 2.3kW fire @ 230V goes from 1.86KW @ 207V to 2.78kW @ 253V.
Most electronic equipment needs the right peakotage to work properly, & not
as often found on generators & inverters some clipped 240v square wave that has
the same peak as RMS voltage!
340V PK __³ _ ?? PK _³ GENERATOR or
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This simple passive meter circuit can be used to give a more meaningful
measurement of a Generator/Inverter AC supply, or to upgrade an existing meter.
The added Peak & Mean features can be ignored for simple RMS meter.
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PARTS:-
Box Old Plug top PSU with 3 metal pins.
Resistors 1/4 Watt or higher if using lower values. 22R is a fuse type.
Diodes Hi PIV types e.g. 1N4007
Cap 400V or higher Polly type.
Cal Pots Preset type (N.B. mains is on them if adjusted from outside!)
Switch Any 3 pole 300VAC (low current) switch. (3 coloured positions)
Meter 100uA Scaled 0-360V, or 50% Back wound movement Scaled 160V-360V.
Use 3 Colour bands on the scale for ideal readings.
Mounted so that it is well insulated. (double insulated?)
For higher current meter e.g. 1mA divide the R values by 10, &
multiply the Capacitor value by 10, use higher wattage Rs.
Neons With internal Rs, can be added L-N, L-E, N-E, show status of
voltages on the wiring. On Household Mains only L-N & L-E should
light up, on a floating generator or inverter feed all will be lit.
CALIBRATION:-
Warning this means using MAINS VOLTAGES! Use an isolation transformer & variac
if you can, to make it safer!
1/ Apply smooth 250V-300V DC on the AC input, adjust the DC Cal pot for the
same reading. Or use the Peak reading feature & measure the voltage across
the Cap with a Digital meter & adjust the DC Cal pot to read the same.
This simulates a perfect square wave.
2/ Apply 50Hz 240V AC sine wave & adjust Cal RMS pot for the same reading. This
varies the amount of peak voltage that is added to the mean voltage to get
the pseudo RMS reading.
3/ Check that with 240V AC the meter reads 340V Peak & 218V Mean.
See my bul "Meter Movement Types".
Why don't U send an interesting bul?
73 de John G8MNY @ GB7CIP
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